ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Greninja wants to stop Peach’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt with OOS Bair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Uair (10f), and Up Smash (12f), then force Peach back outside Neutral Air and Back Air to keep stage control.
In Greninja vs Peach, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Peach’s Neutral Air and Back Air and take the landing or ledge route before Peach can reset.
The table shows that Peach’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt can be answered by Greninja’s OOS Bair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Uair (10f), and Up Smash (12f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Greninja, Peach’s Neutral Air and Back Air are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Greninja OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 2 | -22 |
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| Jab 2 | 2 | -23 |
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| Forward Tilt | 7 | -22/-21 |
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| Up Tilt | 9 | -20/-18 |
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| Down Tilt | 8 | -8 |
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| Dash Attack | 6/17 | -14 |
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| Forward Smash | 15 | -20/-21/-18 |
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| Up Smash | 14 | -20/-19 |
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| Down Smash | 6/10/14/18/22/26/30 | -21 |
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| Neutral Air | 5 | -2/-4 |
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| Forward Air | 16 | -8/-8 |
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| Back Air | 6 | -6/-8 |
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| Up Air | 10/15 | -4/-4 |
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| Down Air | 12/18/24/30 | -6/-5 |
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| Neutral B | 9 (Start of Counter) | — | ||
| Side B (1) | 13 | -13 |
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| Side B (2) | 13 | -13 |
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| Up B | 7/11/16/21/26/31 | — | ||
| Down B | — | — | ||
| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 10 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Greninja should not play directly into Peach’s Neutral Air and Back Air; wait for Peach’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt and answer with OOS Bair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Uair (10f), and Up Smash (12f).
- After Greninja blocks Peach’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt, pick the reachable option from OOS Bair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Uair (10f), and Up Smash (12f) immediately.
- Greninja should not mash after Peach’s Neutral Air and Back Air; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Greninja should finish stocks by breaking Peach’s landing and recovery routes so Neutral Air and Back Air does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Peach start the exchange on Neutral Air and Back Air terms and giving Greninja’s stage control away for free.
- Having Greninja block Peach’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt but never answer with OOS Bair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Uair (10f), and Up Smash (12f).
- Sending Greninja too deep after Peach’s Neutral Air and Back Air and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Greninja and simplifying Peach’s Neutral Air and Back Air-driven advantage sequence.