ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Hero wants to stop Lucina’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt with Up B (3f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (11f), then force Lucina back outside Up B and Down B to keep stage control.
In Hero vs Lucina, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Lucina’s Up B and Down B and take the landing or ledge route before Lucina can reset.
The table shows that Lucina’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt can be answered by Hero’s Up B (3f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (11f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Hero, Lucina’s Up B and Down B are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Hero OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 5 | -16 |
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| Jab 2 | 4 | -19 |
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| Forward Tilt | 8 | -15 |
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| Up Tilt | 6 | -19 |
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| Down Tilt | 7 | -8 |
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| Dash Attack | 13 | -21 |
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| Forward Smash | 10 | -31 |
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| Up Smash | 13 | -41/-35 |
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| Down Smash | 6/21 | -42/-24 |
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| Neutral Air | 6/15 | -4/-3 |
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| Forward Air | 6 | -6 |
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| Back Air | 7 | -5 |
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| Up Air | 5 | -3 |
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| Down Air | 9/11 | -9/-9 |
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| Neutral B | 19—79 | -23 to Shieldbreak |
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| Side B | 9 | -26/-16 |
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| Up B | 5 | — | ||
| Down B | 6 (Start of Counter) | — | ||
| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 10 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Hero should not play directly into Lucina’s Up B and Down B; wait for Lucina’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt and answer with Up B (3f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (11f).
- After Hero blocks Lucina’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt, pick the reachable option from Up B (3f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (11f) immediately.
- Hero should not mash after Lucina’s Up B and Down B; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Hero should finish stocks by breaking Lucina’s landing and recovery routes so Up B and Down B does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Lucina start the exchange on Up B and Down B terms and giving Hero’s stage control away for free.
- Having Hero block Lucina’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt but never answer with Up B (3f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (11f).
- Sending Hero too deep after Lucina’s Up B and Down B and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Hero and simplifying Lucina’s Up B and Down B-driven advantage sequence.