ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Ike is strongest at disjoint-heavy spacing and tipper control, while Piranha Plant is strongest at explosive close-range punish sequences and huge reward on hit.
If you let the opponent pin you down with projectiles, they get to own spacing. The stable plan is to shield well, keep advancing, and pressure the body anyway.
The table shows reliable shield punishes on Down B, Rapid Jab Finisher, Dash Attack, Up Smash, and Forward Smash, with Grab, OOS Bair, OOS Nair, and OOS Fair showing up most often as the clean ways to take the turn back.
Do not force shield punishes on the relatively safer choices like Forward Air, Up Air, and Neutral B. It is usually better to read the landing or ledge route and punish the next action.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Ike OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 2 | -13 |
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| Jab 2 | 2 | -15 |
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| Jab 3 | 7 | -13 |
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| Rapid Jab | 6/10/14… | ** | ||
| Rapid Jab Finisher | 7 | -29 |
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| Forward Tilt (1) | 7 | -14 |
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| Forward Tilt (2) | 5 | -20 |
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| Up Tilt | 6 | -11/-13 |
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| Down Tilt | 9 | -10/-10 |
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| Dash Attack | 7 | -28 |
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| Forward Smash | 16 | -25/-22 |
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| Up Smash | 12/16 | -27 |
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| Down Smash | 10/14 | -24 |
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| Neutral Air | 8/11/14/17/18 | -13/-13 |
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| Forward Air | 7 | -9/-9 |
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| Back Air | 14 | -11 |
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| Up Air | 7 | -6 |
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| Down Air | 9 | -14/-14 |
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| Neutral B | 9 | +6/-3 |
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| Side B (1) | 10(+11) | ** | ||
| Side B (2) | 10 | ** | ||
| Up B | 13… | ** | ||
| Down B | 2(+18) | -31 to -17 (-10 more when tipped over) |
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| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 9 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Do not chase the opponent’s projectiles by themselves; shield well, push the line forward, and keep pressure on the body.
- After blocking Down B, Rapid Jab Finisher, Dash Attack, Up Smash, and Forward Smash, answer immediately with Grab, OOS Bair, OOS Nair, and OOS Fair so the opponent cannot keep the turn.
- Do not force immediate retaliation on Forward Air, Up Air, and Neutral B; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge direction first.
- Prioritize kills through landing traps and ledge pressure while keeping your positional advantage intact.
Actions to Avoid
- Focusing only on clearing the opponent’s projectiles while shrinking your own chances to touch the body.
- Swinging after every blocked Forward Air, Up Air, and Neutral B and feeding the whiff punish or reset the opponent wants.
- Overchasing for the kill and giving up the positional lead you already earned.
- Panic-jumping or panic-rolling from the ledge and making the opponent’s ledge trap too simple.