ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Lucario wants to stop Ice Climbers’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt with OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f), then force Ice Climbers back outside Neutral Air and Forward Air to keep stage control.
In Lucario vs Ice Climbers, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Ice Climbers’s Neutral Air and Forward Air and take the landing or ledge route before Ice Climbers can reset.
The table shows that Ice Climbers’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt can be answered by Lucario’s OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Lucario, Ice Climbers’s Neutral Air and Forward Air are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Lucario OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 4 | -20(-15) |
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| Jab 2 | 4 | -21(-12) |
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| Forward Tilt | 9 | -14(-10) |
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| Up Tilt | 8/11/14/17/20/23/27 | -16(-7) |
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| Down Tilt | 8 | -16(-10) |
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| Dash Attack | 9 | -24(-18) |
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| Forward Smash | 11 | -27(-22) |
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| Up Smash | 12 | -29(-24) |
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| Down Smash | 9/16 | -22/-17 |
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| Neutral Air | 6 | -4(+2) |
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| Forward Air | 19 | -5(+3) |
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| Back Air | 8 | -3(+0) |
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| Up Air | 7 | -10(-3) |
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| Down Air | 12 | -16(-12) |
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| Neutral B | 18/19 | -29(-24) |
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| Side B (1) | 10/14/18/23/28/34/40/51 | -21 |
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| Side B (2) | 10/13/15/18/21/24/28/32/37/42/49 | -24 |
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| Up B | 13 | — | ||
| Down B | 16/21/26/31/36/41/46/51/56 | -22(-15) |
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| Grab | 8 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 10 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 10 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Lucario should not play directly into Ice Climbers’s Neutral Air and Forward Air; wait for Ice Climbers’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt and answer with OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f).
- After Lucario blocks Ice Climbers’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt, pick the reachable option from OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f) immediately.
- Lucario should not mash after Ice Climbers’s Neutral Air and Forward Air; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Lucario should finish stocks by breaking Ice Climbers’s landing and recovery routes so Neutral Air and Forward Air does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Ice Climbers start the exchange on Neutral Air and Forward Air terms and giving Lucario’s stage control away for free.
- Having Lucario block Ice Climbers’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt but never answer with OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f).
- Sending Lucario too deep after Ice Climbers’s Neutral Air and Forward Air and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Lucario and simplifying Ice Climbers’s Neutral Air and Forward Air-driven advantage sequence.