ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Lucario wants to stop Joker’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 with OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f), then force Joker back outside Neutral Air and Back Air to keep stage control.
In Lucario vs Joker, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Joker’s Neutral Air and Back Air and take the landing or ledge route before Joker can reset.
The table shows that Joker’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 can be answered by Lucario’s OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Lucario, Joker’s Neutral Air and Back Air are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Lucario OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 4 | -16 |
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| Jab 2 | 3 | -17 |
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| Jab 3 | 3 | -26 |
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| Forward Tilt | 8/13 | /-15(/-11) |
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| Up Tilt | 8/11/14/17/20 | -27 |
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| Down Tilt | 8 | -22(-19) |
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| Dash Attack | 6/15 | **/-23 |
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| Forward Smash | 16 | -21 |
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| Up Smash | 10 | -32(-30) |
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| Down Smash | 12/16 | -24/-20(—/-18) |
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| Neutral Air | 12 | -5 |
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| Forward Air | 7/12 | -10/-9 |
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| Back Air | 7 | -5 |
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| Up Air | 5… | -12 |
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| Down Air | 13 | -7 |
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| Neutral B (1) | 12/37/65 | ** | ||
| Neutral B (2) | 12/18/24 | ** | ||
| Side B (1) | 16 | -27 |
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| Side B (2) | 16 (1/6/11/16) | ** | ||
| Up B (1) | 20 | ** | ||
| Up B (2) | ** | — | ||
| Down B (1) | 3 (Start of Block) | — | ||
| Down B (2) | 4 (Start of Counter) | — | ||
| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 8 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 9 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Lucario should not play directly into Joker’s Neutral Air and Back Air; wait for Joker’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 and answer with OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f).
- After Lucario blocks Joker’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3, pick the reachable option from OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f) immediately.
- Lucario should not mash after Joker’s Neutral Air and Back Air; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Lucario should finish stocks by breaking Joker’s landing and recovery routes so Neutral Air and Back Air does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Joker start the exchange on Neutral Air and Back Air terms and giving Lucario’s stage control away for free.
- Having Lucario block Joker’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 but never answer with OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f).
- Sending Lucario too deep after Joker’s Neutral Air and Back Air and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Lucario and simplifying Joker’s Neutral Air and Back Air-driven advantage sequence.