ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Lucario wants to stop Ryu’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 with OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f), then force Ryu back outside Neutral Air and Forward Air to keep stage control.
In Lucario vs Ryu, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Ryu’s Neutral Air and Forward Air and take the landing or ledge route before Ryu can reset.
The table shows that Ryu’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 can be answered by Lucario’s OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Lucario, Ryu’s Neutral Air and Forward Air are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Lucario OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 2 | -10 |
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| Jab 2 | 3 | -21 |
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| Jab 3 | 8 | -21 |
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| Jab (1) | 7 | -19 |
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| Jab (2) | 9 | -13 |
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| Forward Tilt (1) | 3 | -20 |
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| Forward Tilt (2) | 8 | -8 |
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| Forward Tilt (3) | 15/17 | -13 |
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| Up Tilt (1) | 3 | -8 |
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| Up Tilt (2) | 7 | -19 |
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| Down Tilt (1) | 2 | -9 |
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| Down Tilt (2) | 6 | -15 |
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| Dash Attack | 7 | -22 |
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| Forward Smash | 15 | -19/-18 |
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| Up Smash | 9 | -24 |
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| Down Smash | 5 | -25 |
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| Neutral Air | 4 | -1/-2 |
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| Forward Air | 8 | -7/-6, -7/-6 |
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| Back Air | 8 | -4/-5 |
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| Up Air | 6/9 | -8/-8 |
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| Down Air | 8 | -10 |
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| Neutral B | 12 | -27/-28/-28, -26/-25/-25 |
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| Side B (1) | 8 | -40—-72/-35/-67/-65, -38—-70/-33/-64/-63 |
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| Side B (2) | 8 | -62 to -61, -61 to -60 |
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| Up B | 6 | ** | ||
| Down B | 11 (+21), 11(+31), 11(+59) | -33, -34, unblockable |
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| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 10 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Lucario should not play directly into Ryu’s Neutral Air and Forward Air; wait for Ryu’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 and answer with OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f).
- After Lucario blocks Ryu’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3, pick the reachable option from OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f) immediately.
- Lucario should not mash after Ryu’s Neutral Air and Forward Air; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Lucario should finish stocks by breaking Ryu’s landing and recovery routes so Neutral Air and Forward Air does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Ryu start the exchange on Neutral Air and Forward Air terms and giving Lucario’s stage control away for free.
- Having Lucario block Ryu’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 but never answer with OOS Dair (7f), Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), and OOS Nair (13f).
- Sending Lucario too deep after Ryu’s Neutral Air and Forward Air and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Lucario and simplifying Ryu’s Neutral Air and Forward Air-driven advantage sequence.