ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Lucas wants to stop Daisy’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt with Up B (1f), Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (10f), then force Daisy back outside Neutral B and Up B to keep stage control.
In Lucas vs Daisy, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Daisy’s Neutral B and Up B and take the landing or ledge route before Daisy can reset.
The table shows that Daisy’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt can be answered by Lucas’s Up B (1f), Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (10f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Lucas, Daisy’s Neutral B and Up B are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Lucas OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 2 | -22 |
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| Jab 2 | 2 | -23 |
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| Forward Tilt | 7 | -22/-21 |
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| Up Tilt | 9 | -20/-18 |
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| Down Tilt | 8 | -8 |
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| Dash Attack | 6/17 | -14 |
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| Forward Smash | 15 | -20/-21/-18 |
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| Up Smash | 14 | -20/-19 |
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| Down Smash | 6/10/14/18/22/26/30 | -21 |
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| Neutral Air | 5 | -2/-4 |
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| Forward Air | 16 | -8/-8 |
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| Back Air | 6 | -6/-8 |
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| Up Air | 10/15 | -4/-4 |
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| Down Air | 12/18/24/30 | -6/-5 |
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| Neutral B | 9 (Start of Counter) | — | ||
| Side B (1) | 13 | -13 |
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| Side B (2) | 13 | -13 |
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| Up B | 7/11/16/21/26/31 | — | ||
| Down B | — | — | ||
| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 10 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Lucas should not play directly into Daisy’s Neutral B and Up B; wait for Daisy’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt and answer with Up B (1f), Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (10f).
- After Lucas blocks Daisy’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt, pick the reachable option from Up B (1f), Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (10f) immediately.
- Lucas should not mash after Daisy’s Neutral B and Up B; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Lucas should finish stocks by breaking Daisy’s landing and recovery routes so Neutral B and Up B does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Daisy start the exchange on Neutral B and Up B terms and giving Lucas’s stage control away for free.
- Having Lucas block Daisy’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt but never answer with Up B (1f), Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (10f).
- Sending Lucas too deep after Daisy’s Neutral B and Up B and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Lucas and simplifying Daisy’s Neutral B and Up B-driven advantage sequence.