ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Lucina wants to stop Ike’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 with Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f), then force Ike back outside Down B and Grab to keep stage control.
In Lucina vs Ike, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Ike’s Down B and Grab and take the landing or ledge route before Ike can reset.
The table shows that Ike’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 can be answered by Lucina’s Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Lucina, Ike’s Down B and Grab are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Lucina OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 4 | -15 |
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| Jab 2 | 3 | -20 |
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| Jab 3 | 5 | -29 |
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| Forward Tilt | 12 | -17 |
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| Up Tilt | 11 | -17 |
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| Down Tilt | 7 | -13 |
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| Dash Attack | 15 | -17 |
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| Forward Smash | 31 | -39/-36 |
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| Up Smash | 25 | -34 |
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| Down Smash | 13/32 | -46/-25 |
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| Neutral Air | 10 | -5 |
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| Forward Air | 11 | -9 |
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| Back Air | 7 | -6 |
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| Up Air | 13 | -5 |
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| Down Air | 16 | -9 |
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| Neutral B | 30-239 | -38 to Shieldbreak |
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| Side B | 16 | -28 to -22 |
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| Up B | 15/44/51/61 | -29 |
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| Down B | 9 (Start of Counter) | — | ||
| Grab | 7 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 10 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 11 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Lucina should not play directly into Ike’s Down B and Grab; wait for Ike’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 and answer with Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f).
- After Lucina blocks Ike’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3, pick the reachable option from Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f) immediately.
- Lucina should not mash after Ike’s Down B and Grab; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Lucina should finish stocks by breaking Ike’s landing and recovery routes so Down B and Grab does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Ike start the exchange on Down B and Grab terms and giving Lucina’s stage control away for free.
- Having Lucina block Ike’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 but never answer with Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f).
- Sending Lucina too deep after Ike’s Down B and Grab and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Lucina and simplifying Ike’s Down B and Grab-driven advantage sequence.