ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Lucina wants to stop Snake’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 with Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f), then force Snake back outside Neutral B and Up B to keep stage control.
In Lucina vs Snake, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Snake’s Neutral B and Up B and take the landing or ledge route before Snake can reset.
The table shows that Snake’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 can be answered by Lucina’s Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Lucina, Snake’s Neutral B and Up B are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Lucina OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 3 | -8 |
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| Jab 2 | 4 | -16 |
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| Jab 3 | 8 | -32 |
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| Forward Tilt (1) | 4 | -22 |
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| Forward Tilt (2) | 8 | -22/-22/-21 |
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| Up Tilt | 6 | -18/** |
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| Down Tilt | 6 | -13 |
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| Dash Attack | 5 | -26/** |
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| Forward Smash | 41 | -18 |
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| Up Smash | 11/35 | -39/+1 |
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| Down Smash | 8/20 | -28/-14 |
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| Neutral Air | 10/18/26/36 | -14/-11 |
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| Forward Air | 23 | -14/-14 |
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| Back Air | 7 | -13/-14/-15/-15 |
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| Up Air | 10 | -10/-11 |
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| Down Air | 3/10/17/25 | -17/-18/-16 |
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| Neutral B | 1 (Grenade Pull) | — | ||
| Side B | 41 | -19/-14 |
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| Up B | — | — | ||
| Down B | 9 | — | ||
| Grab | 8 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 11 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 9 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Lucina should not play directly into Snake’s Neutral B and Up B; wait for Snake’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 and answer with Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f).
- After Lucina blocks Snake’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3, pick the reachable option from Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f) immediately.
- Lucina should not mash after Snake’s Neutral B and Up B; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Lucina should finish stocks by breaking Snake’s landing and recovery routes so Neutral B and Up B does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Snake start the exchange on Neutral B and Up B terms and giving Lucina’s stage control away for free.
- Having Lucina block Snake’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 but never answer with Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f).
- Sending Lucina too deep after Snake’s Neutral B and Up B and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Lucina and simplifying Snake’s Neutral B and Up B-driven advantage sequence.