ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Marth wants to stop Hero’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 with Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f), then force Hero back outside Up B and Down B to keep stage control.
In Marth vs Hero, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Hero’s Up B and Down B and take the landing or ledge route before Hero can reset.
The table shows that Hero’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 can be answered by Marth’s Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Marth, Hero’s Up B and Down B are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Marth OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 6 | -15 |
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| Jab 2 | 6 | -15 |
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| Jab 3 | 7 | -25 |
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| Forward Tilt (1) | 9 | -21 |
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| Forward Tilt (2) | 8 | -31 |
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| Up Tilt | 8 | -23 |
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| Down Tilt | 6 | -19 |
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| Dash Attack | 21 | -16 |
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| Forward Smash | 17 | -36 (-26) |
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| Up Smash | 13 | -29 (-19) |
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| Down Smash | 9/20 | -37/-26 (-29/-18) |
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| Neutral Air | 8 | -6 |
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| Forward Air | 14 | -7 |
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| Back Air | 18 | -9 |
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| Up Air | 6 | -5 |
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| Down Air | 16 | -12 |
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| Neutral B | [10(+7)] [11(+25)] [16(2/8/14/20)] | -22/-28/-24 |
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| Side B | [9/13(+7)] [10/15(+16)] [43/50/72/75/81] | -12/-25/-29 |
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| Up B | [4(+3)] [6/13/20/27(+13)] [39/49/59/69/79/89] | ** | ||
| Down B | — | — | ||
| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 10 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Marth should not play directly into Hero’s Up B and Down B; wait for Hero’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 and answer with Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f).
- After Marth blocks Hero’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3, pick the reachable option from Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f) immediately.
- Marth should not mash after Hero’s Up B and Down B; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Marth should finish stocks by breaking Hero’s landing and recovery routes so Up B and Down B does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Hero start the exchange on Up B and Down B terms and giving Marth’s stage control away for free.
- Having Marth block Hero’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 but never answer with Up B (5f), OOS Uair (8f), OOS Fair (9f), and OOS Nair (9f).
- Sending Marth too deep after Hero’s Up B and Down B and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Marth and simplifying Hero’s Up B and Down B-driven advantage sequence.