ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Olimar wants to stop Greninja’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 with Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (11f), then force Greninja back outside Rapid Jab and Neutral Air to keep stage control.
In Olimar vs Greninja, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Greninja’s Rapid Jab and Neutral Air and take the landing or ledge route before Greninja can reset.
The table shows that Greninja’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 can be answered by Olimar’s Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (11f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Olimar, Greninja’s Rapid Jab and Neutral Air are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Olimar OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 3 | -15 |
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| Jab 2 | 3 | -15 |
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| Jab 3 | 5 | -26 |
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| Rapid Jab | 5/8/11/14… | — | ||
| Rapid Jab Finisher | 4 | -39 |
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| Forward Tilt | 10 | -14/-14 |
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| Up Tilt | 9 | -18 |
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| Down Tilt | 5 | -12 |
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| Dash Attack | 7 | -13 |
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| Forward Smash | 13 | -26 |
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| Up Smash | 12/18 | -23 |
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| Down Smash | 11 | -29 |
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| Neutral Air | 12 | -2/-4 |
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| Forward Air | 16 | -6 |
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| Back Air | 5/7/11 | -8/-7 |
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| Up Air | 7/10/13/16/19/22 | -12/-12 |
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| Down Air | 17 | -16 |
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| Neutral B | 20—60 | -18 to -13 |
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| Side B | 24(+5) | -29/-28 |
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| Up B | 19 | — | ||
| Down B (1) | 8 (Start of Counter) | — | ||
| Down B (2) | 19 | -33/-32 |
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| Grab | 10 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 13 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 14 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Olimar should not play directly into Greninja’s Rapid Jab and Neutral Air; wait for Greninja’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 and answer with Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (11f).
- After Olimar blocks Greninja’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3, pick the reachable option from Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (11f) immediately.
- Olimar should not mash after Greninja’s Rapid Jab and Neutral Air; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Olimar should finish stocks by breaking Greninja’s landing and recovery routes so Rapid Jab and Neutral Air does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Greninja start the exchange on Rapid Jab and Neutral Air terms and giving Olimar’s stage control away for free.
- Having Olimar block Greninja’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 but never answer with Grab (10f), OOS Fair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Uair (11f).
- Sending Olimar too deep after Greninja’s Rapid Jab and Neutral Air and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Olimar and simplifying Greninja’s Rapid Jab and Neutral Air-driven advantage sequence.