ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Palutena wants to stop Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher with OOS Nair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Bair (11f), and OOS Fair (12f), then force Ivysaur back outside Rapid Jab and Back Air to keep stage control.
In Palutena vs Ivysaur, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air and take the landing or ledge route before Ivysaur can reset.
The table shows that Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher can be answered by Palutena’s OOS Nair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Bair (11f), and OOS Fair (12f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Palutena, Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Palutena OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 7 | -17 |
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| Jab 2 | 5 | -19 |
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| Rapid Jab | 4/7/10… | — | ||
| Rapid Jab Finisher | 4 | -32 |
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| Forward Tilt | 10/12/14/16/18/20/22 | -20 |
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| Up Tilt | 7 | -18 |
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| Down Tilt | 4 | -21 |
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| Dash Attack | 4 | -27 |
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| Forward Smash | 15 | -33 |
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| Up Smash | 26 | -21 |
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| Down Smash | 13 | -26/-25/-24 |
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| Neutral Air | 7/10/13/16/19/22/25/28 | -14/-14 |
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| Forward Air | 14 | -8 |
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| Back Air | 7/13 | -5/-4 |
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| Up Air | 12 | -6 |
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| Down Air | 11 | -9 |
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| Neutral B | 7 | -34 |
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| Side B | 24 | -14 |
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| Up B | 15 | -22/-20 |
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| Down B | — | — | ||
| Grab | 13 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 13 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 13 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Palutena should not play directly into Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air; wait for Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher and answer with OOS Nair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Bair (11f), and OOS Fair (12f).
- After Palutena blocks Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher, pick the reachable option from OOS Nair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Bair (11f), and OOS Fair (12f) immediately.
- Palutena should not mash after Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Palutena should finish stocks by breaking Ivysaur’s landing and recovery routes so Rapid Jab and Back Air does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Ivysaur start the exchange on Rapid Jab and Back Air terms and giving Palutena’s stage control away for free.
- Having Palutena block Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher but never answer with OOS Nair (8f), Grab (10f), OOS Bair (11f), and OOS Fair (12f).
- Sending Palutena too deep after Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Palutena and simplifying Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air-driven advantage sequence.