ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Ivysaur wants to stop Marth’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt with Grab (10f), OOS Bair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Dair (14f), then force Marth back outside Down Tilt and Neutral Air to keep stage control.
In Ivysaur vs Marth, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Marth’s Down Tilt and Neutral Air and take the landing or ledge route before Marth can reset.
The table shows that Marth’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt can be answered by Ivysaur’s Grab (10f), OOS Bair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Dair (14f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Ivysaur, Marth’s Down Tilt and Neutral Air are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Ivysaur OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 5 | -16/-14 |
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| Jab 2 | 4 | -19/-18 |
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| Forward Tilt | 8 | -16/-14 |
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| Up Tilt | 6 | -21/-18 |
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| Down Tilt | 7 | -9/-6 |
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| Dash Attack | 13 | -22/-20 |
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| Forward Smash | 10 | -32/-29 |
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| Up Smash | 13 | -41/-36 |
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| Down Smash | 6/21 | -43/-41/-26/-23 |
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| Neutral Air | 6/15 | -5/-4/-4/-3 |
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| Forward Air | 6 | -6/-5 |
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| Back Air | 7 | -6/-5 |
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| Up Air | 5 | -4/-3 |
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| Down Air | 9/11 | -9/-9/-9 |
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| Neutral B | 19—79 | -23 to Shieldbreak |
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| Side B | 9 | -26/-16 |
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| Up B | 5 | — | ||
| Down B | 6 (Start of Counter) | — | ||
| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 10 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Ivysaur should not play directly into Marth’s Down Tilt and Neutral Air; wait for Marth’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt and answer with Grab (10f), OOS Bair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Dair (14f).
- After Ivysaur blocks Marth’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt, pick the reachable option from Grab (10f), OOS Bair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Dair (14f) immediately.
- Ivysaur should not mash after Marth’s Down Tilt and Neutral Air; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Ivysaur should finish stocks by breaking Marth’s landing and recovery routes so Down Tilt and Neutral Air does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Marth start the exchange on Down Tilt and Neutral Air terms and giving Ivysaur’s stage control away for free.
- Having Ivysaur block Marth’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Forward Tilt but never answer with Grab (10f), OOS Bair (10f), OOS Nair (10f), and OOS Dair (14f).
- Sending Ivysaur too deep after Marth’s Down Tilt and Neutral Air and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Ivysaur and simplifying Marth’s Down Tilt and Neutral Air-driven advantage sequence.