ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Rosalina and Luma wants to stop Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher with Up Smash (8f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (10f), then force Ivysaur back outside Rapid Jab and Back Air to keep stage control.
In Rosalina and Luma vs Ivysaur, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air and take the landing or ledge route before Ivysaur can reset.
The table shows that Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher can be answered by Rosalina and Luma’s Up Smash (8f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (10f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Rosalina and Luma, Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Rosalina and Luma OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 7 | -17 |
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| Jab 2 | 5 | -19 |
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| Rapid Jab | 4/7/10… | — | ||
| Rapid Jab Finisher | 4 | -32 |
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| Forward Tilt | 10/12/14/16/18/20/22 | -20 |
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| Up Tilt | 7 | -18 |
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| Down Tilt | 4 | -21 |
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| Dash Attack | 4 | -27 |
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| Forward Smash | 15 | -33 |
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| Up Smash | 26 | -21 |
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| Down Smash | 13 | -26/-25/-24 |
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| Neutral Air | 7/10/13/16/19/22/25/28 | -14/-14 |
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| Forward Air | 14 | -8 |
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| Back Air | 7/13 | -5/-4 |
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| Up Air | 12 | -6 |
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| Down Air | 11 | -9 |
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| Neutral B | 7 | -34 |
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| Side B | 24 | -14 |
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| Up B | 15 | -22/-20 |
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| Down B | — | — | ||
| Grab | 13 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 13 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 13 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Rosalina and Luma should not play directly into Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air; wait for Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher and answer with Up Smash (8f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (10f).
- After Rosalina and Luma blocks Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher, pick the reachable option from Up Smash (8f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (10f) immediately.
- Rosalina and Luma should not mash after Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Rosalina and Luma should finish stocks by breaking Ivysaur’s landing and recovery routes so Rapid Jab and Back Air does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Ivysaur start the exchange on Rapid Jab and Back Air terms and giving Rosalina and Luma’s stage control away for free.
- Having Rosalina and Luma block Ivysaur’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher but never answer with Up Smash (8f), OOS Uair (9f), Grab (10f), and OOS Nair (10f).
- Sending Rosalina and Luma too deep after Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Rosalina and Luma and simplifying Ivysaur’s Rapid Jab and Back Air-driven advantage sequence.