ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Ryu wants to stop Piranha Plant’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 with Up B (6f), OOS Nair (7f), OOS Uair (9f), and Up Smash (9f), then force Piranha Plant back outside Rapid Jab and Neutral B to keep stage control.
In Ryu vs Piranha Plant, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Piranha Plant’s Rapid Jab and Neutral B and take the landing or ledge route before Piranha Plant can reset.
The table shows that Piranha Plant’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 can be answered by Ryu’s Up B (6f), OOS Nair (7f), OOS Uair (9f), and Up Smash (9f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Ryu, Piranha Plant’s Rapid Jab and Neutral B are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Ryu OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 2 | -13 |
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| Jab 2 | 2 | -15 |
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| Jab 3 | 7 | -13 |
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| Rapid Jab | 6/10/14… | ** | ||
| Rapid Jab Finisher | 7 | -29 |
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| Forward Tilt (1) | 7 | -14 |
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| Forward Tilt (2) | 5 | -20 |
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| Up Tilt | 6 | -11/-13 |
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| Down Tilt | 9 | -10/-10 |
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| Dash Attack | 7 | -28 |
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| Forward Smash | 16 | -25/-22 |
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| Up Smash | 12/16 | -27 |
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| Down Smash | 10/14 | -24 |
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| Neutral Air | 8/11/14/17/18 | -13/-13 |
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| Forward Air | 7 | -9/-9 |
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| Back Air | 14 | -11 |
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| Up Air | 7 | -6 |
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| Down Air | 9 | -14/-14 |
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| Neutral B | 9 | +6/-3 |
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| Side B (1) | 10(+11) | ** | ||
| Side B (2) | 10 | ** | ||
| Up B | 13… | ** | ||
| Down B | 2(+18) | -31 to -17 (-10 more when tipped over) |
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| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 9 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Ryu should not play directly into Piranha Plant’s Rapid Jab and Neutral B; wait for Piranha Plant’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 and answer with Up B (6f), OOS Nair (7f), OOS Uair (9f), and Up Smash (9f).
- After Ryu blocks Piranha Plant’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3, pick the reachable option from Up B (6f), OOS Nair (7f), OOS Uair (9f), and Up Smash (9f) immediately.
- Ryu should not mash after Piranha Plant’s Rapid Jab and Neutral B; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Ryu should finish stocks by breaking Piranha Plant’s landing and recovery routes so Rapid Jab and Neutral B does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Piranha Plant start the exchange on Rapid Jab and Neutral B terms and giving Ryu’s stage control away for free.
- Having Ryu block Piranha Plant’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 but never answer with Up B (6f), OOS Nair (7f), OOS Uair (9f), and Up Smash (9f).
- Sending Ryu too deep after Piranha Plant’s Rapid Jab and Neutral B and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Ryu and simplifying Piranha Plant’s Rapid Jab and Neutral B-driven advantage sequence.