ChatGPT Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Sonic wants to stop Mythra’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 with Up B (4f), OOS Fair (8f), OOS Uair (8f), and OOS Nair (9f), then force Mythra back outside Rapid Jab and Up B to keep stage control.
In Sonic vs Mythra, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Mythra’s Rapid Jab and Up B and take the landing or ledge route before Mythra can reset.
The table shows that Mythra’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 can be answered by Sonic’s Up B (4f), OOS Fair (8f), OOS Uair (8f), and OOS Nair (9f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Sonic, Mythra’s Rapid Jab and Up B are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Sonic OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 2 | -15 |
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| Jab 2 | 4 | -23 |
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| Jab 3 | 4 | -20 |
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| Rapid Jab | 8/12/16… | — | ||
| Rapid Jab Finisher | 6 | -27 |
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| Forward Tilt | 8 | -11 |
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| Up Tilt | 7 | -14 |
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| Down Tilt | 5 | -11/-10 |
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| Dash Attack | 9 | -22 |
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| Forward Smash | 14 | -26 |
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| Up Smash | 9/12/17/22/26 | -40/-21 |
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| Down Smash | 8/14 | -28/-30/-22/-24 |
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| Neutral Air | 8 | -10 |
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| Forward Air | 8 | -7 |
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| Back Air | 10 | -7 |
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| Up Air | 9 | -5 |
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| Down Air | 13 | -7 |
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| Neutral B | 9/20/30/40—69/80/90/99/109 | -21 — -8 |
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| Side B | 18/25/32/39/46/54 | -47 |
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| Up B | 10/40 | ** | ||
| Down B | — | — | ||
| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 11 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 12 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Sonic should not play directly into Mythra’s Rapid Jab and Up B; wait for Mythra’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 and answer with Up B (4f), OOS Fair (8f), OOS Uair (8f), and OOS Nair (9f).
- After Sonic blocks Mythra’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3, pick the reachable option from Up B (4f), OOS Fair (8f), OOS Uair (8f), and OOS Nair (9f) immediately.
- Sonic should not mash after Mythra’s Rapid Jab and Up B; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- Sonic should finish stocks by breaking Mythra’s landing and recovery routes so Rapid Jab and Up B does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Mythra start the exchange on Rapid Jab and Up B terms and giving Sonic’s stage control away for free.
- Having Sonic block Mythra’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 but never answer with Up B (4f), OOS Fair (8f), OOS Uair (8f), and OOS Nair (9f).
- Sending Sonic too deep after Mythra’s Rapid Jab and Up B and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as Sonic and simplifying Mythra’s Rapid Jab and Up B-driven advantage sequence.